Comments on: Women need men and children to be fulfilled http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/ Engagement for the next generation Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:37:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Jane Sample http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-16893 Jane Sample Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:08:56 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-16893 I disagree with Sanders viewpoint. Now that I said that I shall say this ... why do men assume that women have some sort of magical "mothering" instinct encoded into our DNA that makes us all want to have lots of babies, oh and we all "naturally" know how to take care of them. And do it better then the father?? Just because women carried the child within their bodies for 9 months does not automatically make women the better parent. Also ... what does he mean we are no longer "socialized to be wives & mothers"??? Did we not all play house with our friend? Have Baby Dolls and Baribie with the Dream House? I would call that some fairly strong socialization right there. I disagree with Sanders viewpoint. Now that I said that I shall say this … why do men assume that women have some sort of magical “mothering” instinct encoded into our DNA that makes us all want to have lots of babies, oh and we all “naturally” know how to take care of them. And do it better then the father?? Just because women carried the child within their bodies for 9 months does not automatically make women the better parent.
Also … what does he mean we are no longer “socialized to be wives & mothers”??? Did we not all play house with our friend? Have Baby Dolls and Baribie with the Dream House? I would call that some fairly strong socialization right there.

]]> By: Rebecca Thorman http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4199 Rebecca Thorman Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:22:03 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4199 @ Elysa - good observation! Thank you for contributing to the discussion. @ Cristin - I agree. The family is important, but career is also fulfilling. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. @ Christine - It's great that you are in a healthy relationship. And while I don't agree with all of what Justin has to say, I do think there are some points that hold true. I think in my counter-post, I sum it up nicely by saying "Women need men. Just not like they used to." Thanks for commenting! @ Elysa - good observation! Thank you for contributing to the discussion.

@ Cristin - I agree. The family is important, but career is also fulfilling. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.

@ Christine - It’s great that you are in a healthy relationship. And while I don’t agree with all of what Justin has to say, I do think there are some points that hold true. I think in my counter-post, I sum it up nicely by saying “Women need men. Just not like they used to.” Thanks for commenting!

]]> By: Christine http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4185 Christine Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:38:56 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4185 I had to re-read the blog several times after reading the comments beause it seemed like they were commenting on a different blog. I didn't read into the blog that Justin was saying that women shouldn't work, shouldn't achieve what they want. Could this be because I am in a relationship where I trust my husband, feel fullfilled by motherhood and have a challenging career? Men need to be respected by women and women need to be loved. It is that simple. I had to re-read the blog several times after reading the comments beause it seemed like they were commenting on a different blog. I didn’t read into the blog that Justin was saying that women shouldn’t work, shouldn’t achieve what they want. Could this be because I am in a relationship where I trust my husband, feel fullfilled by motherhood and have a challenging career? Men need to be respected by women and women need to be loved. It is that simple.

]]> By: Friday Fun: « ProcrastinatioNation http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4057 Friday Fun: « ProcrastinatioNation Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:56:16 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4057 [...] Justin Sanders, who guest-posts at Modite writes: Feminism has destabilized society by undermining heterosexuality and the family. This perverse assault on gender difference is disguised as an act of “defense” of women’s’ and homosexuals’ “right” to be single and childless. Women have been duped into seeking “power” and “independence” (aloneness) through climbing the mirage of the corporate ladder. [...] […] Justin Sanders, who guest-posts at Modite writes: Feminism has destabilized society by undermining heterosexuality and the family. This perverse assault on gender difference is disguised as an act of “defense” of women’s’ and homosexuals’ “right” to be single and childless. Women have been duped into seeking “power” and “independence” (aloneness) through climbing the mirage of the corporate ladder. […]

]]> By: Big J (Justin Sanders) http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4006 Big J (Justin Sanders) Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:07:24 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4006 Thanks Cristin, But I don't your logic. Because I'm a man, I can't write about womens' emotions? Is the reverse true? Are you forbidden from writing about how men think? Thanks Cristin,

But I don’t your logic. Because I’m a man, I can’t write about womens’ emotions? Is the reverse true? Are you forbidden from writing about how men think?

]]> By: Cristin http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4004 Cristin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:51:43 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-4004 This article takes some half truthes and runs so far with them that the arguments collapse on their knees gasping for air. I think the family unit is equally important for both men and women, a career should come secondary to either gender. My personal favorite line from the article, "I’ve seen far too many women recite feminists mantras only to discovery - in their late 30s - that all they really wanted was a warm baby to snuggle." This is so absurd it is hilarious. You would know all of this justin, because you are a woman? This article takes some half truthes and runs so far with them that the arguments collapse on their knees gasping for air. I think the family unit is equally important for both men and women, a career should come secondary to either gender.

My personal favorite line from the article, “I’ve seen far too many women recite feminists mantras only to discovery - in their late 30s - that all they really wanted was a warm baby to snuggle.”
This is so absurd it is hilarious.

You would know all of this justin, because you are a woman?

]]> By: elysa http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3917 elysa Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:09:22 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3917 Is is just me or does "Men and women are different, biologically, emotionally and physically - and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that, so long as we never attempt to confine women to certain limited roles." contradict "What is wrong is when women prioritize their career and neglect the deeper fulfillment of family life." So what we are saying here is let's not confine women to a certain role as long as they know that they must have a family. And also, women hold their own power. They can be powerful in themselves with or without having a man. Is is just me or does “Men and women are different, biologically, emotionally and physically - and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that, so long as we never attempt to confine women to certain limited roles.” contradict “What is wrong is when women prioritize their career and neglect the deeper fulfillment of family life.”

So what we are saying here is let’s not confine women to a certain role as long as they know that they must have a family.

And also, women hold their own power. They can be powerful in themselves with or without having a man.

]]> By: Rebecca Thorman http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3764 Rebecca Thorman Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:42:13 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3764 @ Dan - I think just as women should be allowed to grow and change, men should be too ... thanks for your comment! @ Stephanie - how you make me laugh :) Overpopulation is a serious concern in all of this.. good point. Thank you for commenting! @ Dan - I think just as women should be allowed to grow and change, men should be too … thanks for your comment!

@ Stephanie - how you make me laugh :) Overpopulation is a serious concern in all of this.. good point. Thank you for commenting!

]]> By: Big J (Justin Sanders) http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3749 Big J (Justin Sanders) Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:38:16 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3749 Stephanie, In the past, bachelors were the exception, not the rule. The contemporary man is, in many cases, raised from birth to be a bachelor. (See, George Clooney, etc). Do you believe in the concept of arrested development? I do. I have many 30-something male friends who have their own house and car who, when asked about finding a mate say, "I'm not ready, man." One need not actually have homosexual sex in order to be gay. A 35 year old man without a woman is 80% of the way there. Stephanie,

In the past, bachelors were the exception, not the rule. The contemporary man is, in many cases, raised from birth to be a bachelor. (See, George Clooney, etc).

Do you believe in the concept of arrested development? I do. I have many 30-something male friends who have their own house and car who, when asked about finding a mate say, “I’m not ready, man.” One need not actually have homosexual sex in order to be gay. A 35 year old man without a woman is 80% of the way there.

]]> By: Stephanie Campbell http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3743 Stephanie Campbell Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:59:41 +0000 http://modite.com/blog/2007/10/21/women-need-men-and-children-to-be-fulfilled/#comment-3743 I have a hard time swallowing what Mr. Sanders is saying. I believe that he is sincere and in no way intentionally degrading women. I cannot believe that an educated man would phrase what I assume he's referring to as homosexuality or bisexuality as "people being clueless/ arrested development". Furthermore, the argument that a man does not need a woman is just as simple as a woman not needing a man. There is absolutely no need to complicate this matter by bringing psychological or physiological differences into the argument. In the last thousand years, there were many, many men who went their entire lifetime without spawning a child, they were called bachelors. Generally they had lovers or a "girlfriend" who they could seek out when they wanted comfort. These women could have been prostitutes or mistresses. Bachelors were often respected, wealthy, and envied. Why now should that trend fade even though women are now occupying the "single and happy" role. I do not believe we should curtail the individual woman's success by telling her that she isn't happy until she's knocked up. Perhaps women now are feeling a psychic connection to the strain of overpopulation on the earth and are choosing to slow the rate of babymaking. Or maybe men are just whining because they aren't getting any... and one quick note on Dan's comment: Evolution is not a conscious decision. It is a series of trials. But mostly errors. The consequnce for an organism making an evolutionary "mistake" is usually death. Society cannot be truly defined as an "evolving" society without first clarifying the manner of evolution. Nature is a cold cruel mother, and she cares NOT for the individual. Society seeks to embrace both the individual and the gathered masses. We are not a survival of the fittest race. We care too much for the weak to be considered in the "race" for a lasting presence on this earth. Bacteria has and always will be the strongest life form on this planet. Not because of the individual, but because of its numbers. I have a hard time swallowing what Mr. Sanders is saying. I believe that he is sincere and in no way intentionally degrading women. I cannot believe that an educated man would phrase what I assume he’s referring to as homosexuality or bisexuality as “people being clueless/ arrested development”.
Furthermore, the argument that a man does not need a woman is just as simple as a woman not needing a man. There is absolutely no need to complicate this matter by bringing psychological or physiological differences into the argument. In the last thousand years, there were many, many men who went their entire lifetime without spawning a child, they were called bachelors. Generally they had lovers or a “girlfriend” who they could seek out when they wanted comfort. These women could have been prostitutes or mistresses. Bachelors were often respected, wealthy, and envied. Why now should that trend fade even though women are now occupying the “single and happy” role. I do not believe we should curtail the individual woman’s success by telling her that she isn’t happy until she’s knocked up. Perhaps women now are feeling a psychic connection to the strain of overpopulation on the earth and are choosing to slow the rate of babymaking. Or maybe men are just whining because they aren’t getting any…

and one quick note on Dan’s comment: Evolution is not a conscious decision. It is a series of trials. But mostly errors. The consequnce for an organism making an evolutionary “mistake” is usually death. Society cannot be truly defined as an “evolving” society without first clarifying the manner of evolution. Nature is a cold cruel mother, and she cares NOT for the individual. Society seeks to embrace both the individual and the gathered masses. We are not a survival of the fittest race. We care too much for the weak to be considered in the “race” for a lasting presence on this earth. Bacteria has and always will be the strongest life form on this planet. Not because of the individual, but because of its numbers.

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